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Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Brian Webber on 9/17/2002; 7:24 PM This article was plagarized from an unknown pro-RPG website.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Brian Webber on 7/15/2001; 6:24 PM All this time and still nothing? I'm amazed. Not even a simple "I agree." I'm a little disapointed.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Brian Carnell on 7/15/2001; 7:01 PM At 06:40 PM 7/15/01 -0400, Brian W.wrote: >All this time and still nothing? I'm amazed. Not even a simple "I agree." >I'm a little disapointed. Your version was interesting, but: 1. It's pretty clear that rather than "irresponsible journalism, and a confusion by the authorities, it was publicised that D&D was responsible for Dallas' disappearance," that in fact the private investigator hired by the Eggbert family, William Dear, actively pushed the Dungeons and Dragons angle for his own purposes. 2. You left out the sexuality angle in the Eggbert case (another point of contention between the kid and his parents who, if you read between the lines, are the real reason for Eggbert's problems -- the pressure they put on him was unbelievable). 3. I've seen "Mazes and Monsters" about a dozen times -- what an incredible film. 4. The anti-Pokemon stuff (see http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/pokemon5-99.html) is actually far more sophisticated and entertaining (and as an aside, having only started watched the "Pokemon" cartoon very recently, I am hooked -- clearly the Devil *must* be behind this phenom.).
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Peter on 7/15/2001; 11:14 PM Brian, most of your posts here are just common sense. There is no need to dignify them with a response. Peter.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Mark Morgan on 7/16/2001; 12:02 AM There is no need to dignify them with a response. Peter, I've reset your password. Until you can understand that people find these kinds of statements insulting, your member privileges will remain revoked. I'm sorry, I let a lot of childishness and namecalling by a lot of people here slide, but you've had every opportunity. I told you already one more time and that was it. E-mail me and we'll discuss restoring your membership. After a situation like this, there's usually a lot of tension while people decide how they feel about it. Let me make it clear that it was only a clear pattern of behavior, and several warnings, and the fact that I made it clear that the next time would be the last, that I took this step. Basically, if you avoid calling people names and insulting them, I don't care what else you do.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Chie Theresa Fujioka on 7/17/2001; 12:33 AM Someone explain "role playing" to me... is it not what I think it is? Fundamentalist shundamentalist. Fundies not same all are webber man young! *puts on yoda hat* Chick tracts! WOO... they send us those by the billion. Oh how fun to read! They give me a good laugh the first time i read them. usually they end up recycled. YEE he eheeee
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Geneva Milbourne on 7/17/2001; 11:05 PM Hi It's interesting to be a part of this, it doesn't seem as though anger and fear needs to be a part of anybody's life. They propagate each another. Dangerous stuff, especially when you can write without being seen, you don't have to look anybody in the eye. Chie? How do you pronounce that? I really think I like you, as women go, you seem to be an excellent example and a credit to our sex. My son who is now 20 was brought up by me mostly by myself with an ocasional visit to his father played the role playing games in Junior High. It's actually very intelectual and takes quite a bit of time in preparation to play the role you've choosen. He would study lots of books, make lots of notes, and go on the net for more hints and ideas. I thougt it was very cool and fun to watch his enthusiasm.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Sean McMains on 7/18/2001; 12:44 AM It's funny to me that a lot of people bash role playing principally because of the fantasy background from which many of the stories spring. Most modern fantasy either borrows directly from, or is inspired by, the work of Tolkien, himself a devout Christian. He, of course, borrowed heavily from Norse mythology, but obviously didn't see anything inherently troublesome in Christians, who tend to be D&D's loudest opponents, spending time & mental energy in those fantasy worlds. Sean
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Chie Theresa Fujioka on 7/18/2001; 2:11 AM Chie? How do you pronounce that? humoh. like it's not spelled! Seriously (wow), CHee-A (like the ay in hay) I really think I like you, as women go, you seem to be an excellent example and a credit to our sex. <blush><eep>thanx! *chie thinks she's just crazy, and if everyone like her...* *imagines a world full of insane pyromaniacs who like eating octopus and books*</eep></blush> My son who is now 20 was brought up by me mostly by myself with an ocasional visit to his father played the role playing games in Junior High. It's actually very intelectual and takes quite a bit of time in preparation to play the role you've choosen. He would study lots of books, make lots of notes, and go on the net for more hints and ideas. I thougt it was very cool and fun to watch his enthusiasm. hmm weird. That sounds like it would be fun... I need more books! They are all packed away and I've read the ones that arent packed a billion times two times! I am begging my parents to let me go to the book store and grab a few tolkiens!!
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Kaju Sarkar on 7/18/2001; 8:37 AM oh man same here...i am strapped ..cuz i have to buy books with my own money...
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Mark Morgan on 7/18/2001; 9:00 PM It seems to be something endemic to role-playing games in general. In probably the weirdest damn thing I've seen the government do, agents seized the manuscript for the book GURPS Cyberpunk all the while loudly proclaiming it as a manual for cybercrime. The full story is available at the SJ Games website. Almost drove the company out of business, protecting my neighborhood from me gaining the knowledge that I have to roll 3d against my deck operations skill to defeat the security system. Ha! Your bank is doomed now, folks. I have fresh dice right here! Oregon is a state with one of the easiest processes for getting a measure on the ballot. The result is that some darn sloppy things get sent to voters, and then some darn sloppy things get written into our constitution. Whenever reasonable people point out the glaring loopholes and potential for abuse in some potential piece of nonsense voter-approved legislation, its defenders go "Well, of course the government will only use the law the way we intend them too." Do these people live in the same world I live in? Government will use any power given to them, to the fullest extent they can get away with, and just a bit more. I completely understand the conservative dogma to tell the government to get the heck out of our lives. Too bad not enough conservatives bother to follow through on that when they're voted in. "Let's run ever aspect of their lives because they are immoral idiots." Almost as fun as the liberal philosophy, "Let's run every aspect of their lives because they are incompetent to do so themselves." Ahem. A recent counter-attack to this trend is voter-approved fixes to crappy legislation. We just made the cops actually have to prove a person guilty before they could seize and sell all their assets. The rhetoric by law enforcement that election year was all-star hilarious. "This is a major tool in our fight against crime. Don't take it away from us!" What's abandoning constitutional controls on police, just between friends, hmm? This hysteria about a harmless hobby just continues to point out that really, less power is better, all things being equal. Really.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Katy Kat on 7/18/2001; 9:16 PM I have never played real role playing games, as in one not in the bedroom... In any case, though Christian, I always thought they would be fun, I like charades, although any killing would be negative vibes for me. role playing, awesome, do I get to have a talent like in Xanthe, or what?! Im not into dark role-playing, but more like adventure/comedy.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Brian Carnell on 7/18/2001; 9:27 PM It seems to be something endemic to role-playing games in general. In probably the weirdest damn thing I've seen the government do, agents seized the manuscript for the book GURPS Cyberpunk all the while loudly proclaiming it as a manual for cybercrime. There is, of course, a good explanation for this. The GM overseeing that particular campaign allowed the player running the Secret Service agents to put a full -15 points in the Delusions mental disadvantage -- "You believe something (or several things) that are simply not true. This may cause others to consider you insane. They may be right." (p.32 of the 3rd edition GURPS Basic book).
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Evan on 7/18/2001; 9:56 PM Well I could lend you my copies of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, except I don't ever actually see you so I would have to mail them to you and I would kind of expect reimbursement on postage.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Mark Morgan on 9/27/2001; 12:01 PM And *this* has been published. I miss any others? Note that the indices take a few hours to catch up.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Daryl Del Rosario on 11/26/2002; 10:03 AM Dungeons and Dragons is Satanic? Where in hell did someone get an idea like that. If such a thing is "Satanic", then everything I'd been living for was "demonic". Aaargh, I've been playing it since I was a kid and the only thing evil about it is that if you steer your character toward an evil path of life. All that time playing and never, not once, have I become a Satanist. Its all just a matter of views and opinions, really. Escapism, Occultism, call it anything you want but if you think its demonic or anything like that, then be shrewd enough to just keep those ideas to yourself and leave us players alone. By the way Chie, or Fujioka-san, do you live in Japan?
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: John Verion on 12/12/2002; 11:35 AM Put me down as a devout Christian and also a inveterate role player -- even to the point of teaching my kids how to play D&D. Though I think the recent 3rd edition might be a satanic plot to keep me shelling out hard-earned cash to replace the books I've already replaced about five times in the last 23 years. *sigh* Too bad, I missed the article, plagiarized or not. Role-playing is merely a platform to exercise one's imagination. Evil people have evil fantasies. Whether the game exists or not, evil people will still have evil fantasies.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Chie Theresa Fujioka on 12/14/2002; 4:31 AM Yeh I live in Japan now, and go to the American School in Japan, thus the reason why I haven't written anything in the last year I now know what rpgs are, and honestly, I like them! Nethack is my favorite Rogue-based/D&D based rpg... is warcraft an rpg? FPS arent bad either.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Evan on 12/15/2002; 1:12 AM Well Warcraft 3 is an RPG to a degree, although primarily its a real time strategy game. I play a fair number of RPGs, primarily D&D and the Star Wars RPG. Its a lot of fun, although its not really to different from the sort of stuff that goes on in my head and additionally probably most young children's heads. Roleplaying is simply a more complicated and defined version of imaginative play in which most children participate.
RE: Dungeons & Dragons: Not A Satanic Game By: Richard Davidson on 12/15/2002; 11:21 AM "Evil people have evil fantasies. Whether the game exists or not, evil people will still have evil fantasies." I will go one better, and say that many GOOD people have evil fantasies, too. A fantasy, as long as it has not manifested itself in real world behavior, can be as evil as you want. If you're a balanced person, who takes responsibility for your behavior, you may fantasize about anything you want. I'd much rather you killed people, or victimized women, or whatever, in your imagination than in the real world. Maybe a fantasy will help you get whatever urges you have out of your system, and you can continue on with the important business of growing as a person. This message brought to you by the Society for Open Mindedness
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