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Who reads this stuff? Not I, said the duck. By: Mark Morgan on 4/9/2000; 4:29 PM Having gotten no feedback about what to do with the two site issue, (except for Corinne Dillingham kindly e-mailing me personally to stay with Conversant, which is not in doubt at all, Mark loves Coversant) I'm going to sit on it and let ideas stew in the back of my head. Meanwhile, the old site has picked up the green from this site and in the near future the new site will pick up a complementary color scheme (which is organge, if memory serves). And time to change the template so that the two sites look alike. And make a new logo....
None of which will happen soon, as today whiles its Sunday goof-off mode away.
RE: Who reads this stuff? Not I, said the duck. By: Seth Dillingham on 4/9/2000; 5:47 PM I read it, and I'd like to help you do what you can to get more people participating... but that's going to have to wait for you to take this site seriously. I totally understand the situation you're in, having an active site elsewhere. All I can do is promise that we'll work with you to build your readership (and more importantly in your case, your writership). Would you like me to sweeten the pot? I guess there are other things we could offer you, including domain hosting, etc. (Domains are terribly cheap these days.) Surely your readers on the other site would not find it too confusing to have to click that second link to get to this one... and the regular readers would only have to do it once, right? Why am I doing this? Well, really, for one reason only. I need to build up the list of interesting, active sites using our services (as always, to generate more interest for Conversant). I think your site, if you try to fulfill its potential instead of just talking about it, could be truly excellent. Seth
RE: Who reads this stuff? Not I, said the duck. By: Mark Morgan on 4/9/2000; 8:46 PM (Mark's favorite new feature: add to weblog! I love this place. This was originally a reply to Seth Dillingham, but it deserved to go public. It's going to the other log as well. It's important. Take this site seriously--ouch! Suppose I deserved that. You don't need to sweeten the pot, although if you are going to go and do so, I won't complain. We like brownies, while you're at it. I just keep thinking there has got to be some way to have two sites, interrelated in topic, without going insane. That's honestly why I'm having this big design block for this site; I just can't seem to start working on this site without getting over that hurdle. I look at Eatonweb where she has a second site for her longer pieces, and I think to myself, if some darn web designer can figure out how to juggle the content on two site, so can I!" I'm a darn content creator, it's got to be possible. I'm such an overplanning dweeb, but it took me almost two years to figure out what I wanted to do a site for; once I decided, the idea took fire in my brain and wouldn't let go. I tried a regular free service first, and I am very glad I left them (slow, to start with). Then EditThisPage, and I went beserk. I made fifteen zillion changes yesterday to the look of voices of unreason, and it took me only a couple of hours total. Wow! But you are very, very right about the potential of Conversant to blow web publishing up completely. Good God man, what are you going to support next, NTSC? The amount of initial groundwork you have done is nothing short of amazing, and I am amazed. Okay, writing this has decided me. I'm going to redo this site immediately, and then sign up all my existing authors with temporary passwords. Then I'm going to tell them all to get the heck over here and discuss this. And if they won't, well, I'll build this without them, and I am certainly willing to take any help you can offer to build a base of writers. Now I wish that I had chosen a different name than Dreamzone-Redux, but I might be able to work something out around that. I very much appreciate the personal attention you're giving an anonymous stranger who isn't even giving you any money. Thanks.
RE: Who reads this stuff? Not I, said the duck. By: Seth Dillingham on 4/17/2000; 11:47 PM On Sunday, April 9, 2000 at 10:19 PM, Mark Morgan <mark_morgan@yahoo.com> wrote: >Take this site serious--ouch! Suppose I deserved that. I was afraid that would sting a little, but from my perspective it had to be said. I'm glad you took it lightly. >I just keep thinking there has got to be some way to have two sites, >interrelated in topic, without going insane. That's honestly why >I'm having this big design block for this site; I just can't seem to >start working on this site without getting over that hurdle. I look >at Eatonweb where she has a second site for her longer pieces, and I >think to myself, if some darn web designer can figure out how to >juggle the content on two site, so can I!" I'm a darn content >creator, it's got to be possible. Two sites is not a problem. Having your own domain (on our service) allows you to run up to five sites at once with the default package. We haven't presented any documentation on how this works, so far, so I don't expect you to understand that statement on its own, but I do ask you to accept it. :-) An easy example is the Free-Conversant site itself. We've got two sites (of our own) running on there right now: the main site, and the support site. Plus, obviously, hundreds of guest sites. What we aren't going to be able to do for you, in the short term, is write tools to make your site "cooperate" with your ETP site. That's just the wrong direction for us to be working in _right now_. Later, perhaps, but not right now. >I'm such an overplanning dweeb, but it took me almost two years to >figure out what I wanted to do a site for; once I decided, the idea >took fire in my brain and wouldn't let go. I tried a regular free >service first, and I am very glad I left them (slow, to start with). > Then EditThisPage, and I went beserk. I made fifteen zillion >changes yesterday to the look of voices of unreason, and it took me >only a couple of hours total. Wow! I see from your comments on webpagesthatsuck.com that one of your design problems is related to having only one template. As you know, you can have any number of templates here, and apply them to whatever pages you want. >But you are very, very right about the potential of Conversant to >blow web publishing up completely. Thank you, I'm glad you can see this. We need more people like you to see it! >Good God man, what are you going to support next, NTSC? The amount >of initial groundwork you have done is nothing short of amazing, and >I am amazed. It might be a little specialized, but I was actually considering some sort of Astrology Input/Output Engine. Write your message in email, and Conversant adusts the position of the 'heavenly bodies' to best represent your words. The main problem here is the beta-testing loop... bugs in the output system are likely to ruin people's lives! >Okay, writing this has decided me. I'm going to redo this site >immediately, and then sign up all my existing authors with temporary >passwords. Then I'm going to tell them all to get the heck over >here and discuss this. Now you're talking! >And if they won't, well, I'll build this without them, and I am >certainly willing to take any help you can offer to build a base of >writers. Now I wish that I had chosen a different name than >Dreamzone-Redux, but I might be able to work something out around >that. Why wouldn't they move over here with you, though? Are they adding extra nicotine to the ETP sites again, to keep people coming back? I thought the government put a stop to that. >I very much appreciate the personal attention you're giving an >anonymous stranger who isn't even giving you any money. Thanks. Call it "enlightened self interest". :-) That's what they call it in the open source world, when you provide stuff for free and help people out as much as you can, in the hope that it will come back around in some form or another. (I can't deny there's a "cool factor" to helping a really good writer's site get up and running, though.) Seth Seth Dillingham seth@macrobyte.net President, Macrobyte Resources (860) 572-0244 ======================================================================== 76 Dogwood Lane <http://www.MacrobyteResources.com/> Mystic, CT 06355
RE: Who reads this stuff? Not I, said the duck. By: Mark Morgan on 4/9/2000; 7:24 PM Offer accepted, and I suppose the next step is to find out how to pay for a domain without a credit card. In your experience, which version would cause less user confusion, VoicesOfUnreason or voices-of-unreason? And who is the better service to purchase a domain from? I can live without Conversant having official tools to make the sites live in harmony. I'm going to contact Jim Roepcke and find out how he got the XML-PRC feed from weblogs.com onto his site. I think the ETP sites are all available as XML-PRC feeds, and that might be the way to go. Assuming, of course, that he can explain it to a programming incompetent.
RE: Who reads this stuff? Not I, said the duck. By: Seth Dillingham on 4/9/2000; 9:50 PM On Sunday, April 9, 2000 at 11:30 PM, Mark Morgan <mark_morgan@yahoo.com> wrote: >VoicesOfUnreason or voices-of-unreason Well, my gut reaction was that the former was better... but we've chosen the latter format *twice*, at Macrobyte. free-conversant.com and talk-of-the-net.com (not available just yet). I'm not very good at this part of things, I'm afraid. Seth
Re: Who reads this stuff? Not I, said the duck. By: Sean McMains on 4/10/2000; 8:04 AM > Offer accepted, and I suppose the next step is to find out how to pay for a > domain without a credit card. In your experience, which version would cause > less user confusion, VoicesOfUnreason or voices-of-unreason? And who is the > better service to purchase a domain from? Hi Mark, A bit of grist for the decision-making mill: every time I tell people to check out free-conversant.com, they invariably go to freeconversant.com unless I tell them "free hyphen conversant dot com" or some other similar clarification. The hyphenated version is easier on the eyes, but the sans hyphens version is easier for most people to get to. I've recently had good luck with www.dotster.com for domain name registrations. (I used them for mcmains.net.) Network Solutions has also been good to me, though they're a bit pricier. Sean
Re: Who reads this stuff? Not I, said the duck. By: Mark Morgan on 4/10/2000; 5:41 PM Dagnabit! How do you register a domain name without using a credit card? Aaargh!
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